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Rose: and if we have to exit - we'll have to sign a very specific non-disclosure agreement I'm assuming

Hartwig: uh huh

Rose: that Julie can sign off as witness

Hartwig: uh huh

Rose: you know...and we just...probably as long as my media company is engaging with her as a whistleblower - I can't really engage with you

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: really - but then when that's over...well we can hook back up again. From my perspective if we have to make that decision or move...it's just the effect if this...you know, it's a cause-and-effect thing for me

Hartwig: yeah...yeah so, one more thing is really important (nervous laugh) so yesterday I became aware of that post Leslie Kelly made, about being revenge porn and Staci Burk...and so once I found out about that yesterday...I was out driving with my brother in law...I stopped and I called Garland Shreves...who I met because I was volunteering for his state Senate campaign last year

Rose: mm hmm

Hartwig: he's the chief of staff for Pinal County Attorney's office

Rose: um hmm

Hartwig: I told him what I mailed in...and he said we're aware of that image...it's not Sheriff Mark Lamb...it's someone else

Rose: mm hmm

Hartwig: but send it in...and so...um...they're aware of that image that's been circulating...I guess that it's been circulated

Rose: well I have no knowledge that it's been circulated...the only knowledge I have of this stuff with Sheriff Lamb...is what Staci Burk disclosed to me in the last 24-48 hours

Hartwig: okay

Rose: and she actually very specifically last night asked me...if I thought that her disseminating those photographs - would get her in criminal trouble...and I said well - how did you disseminate them? - and she says - well I gave a copy of them to a reporter, off the record with no intention of publishing

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: I go...is this a reputable reporter? Is this a real reporter? She's like - yes - okay, I go - what else did you do? She goes...that's pretty much it...I go, oh okay - so I told her, I mean just hearing that to me was like, well...if you had revenge porn and were to say leak them to a pseudonym or leak them through a publication...that's malicious. 

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: but to just put them to a reporter and say - hey - I'VE GOT THIS - don't publish it, but here you go...that's just leaving bread crumbs as a journalist...that's how I see that.

Hartwig: yeah and there's some intent to harm, harass, intimidate, threaten coerce...um, so harm in the legal definition...here I'm looking at the law (panicked) harm means physical injury, financial injury or serious emotional distress

Rose: anything can fit under 'serious emotional distress' though 

CONFESSION

Hartwig: yeah, so (SILENCE) anyways...I think we um...what else...(NERVOUS LAUGH) see that's the thing...well yeah um...Leslie Kelly thing is interesting cuz it's like...like...like...it's like all this uhhhh...like yeah I can definitely see where...especially because I was like so delayed (inaudible) okay Ryan - you're going to wait 10 months...until like after she's...anyway - it took me a long time to file it...and I don't know if that makes a difference but...there are some questions that could be asked of me...as far as my ethics...like okay why are you (inaudible)

Rose: well the other thing like I was telling her...and I was just generally talking about like any prosecution against her...is ya know...they put her in the spotlight...which none of them want to do

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: it's not like she's a violent criminal...if they hit her with some sort of ...one of these type of crimes...yeah she'll get arrested, do a couple days in jail, bond out easily...and fight it over couple of years...and it would actually platform her voice

Hartwig: mmmm hmmm

Rose: and the ultimate consequences aren't too crazy

Hartwig: your sentencing guidelines on something like that...I'm just going through worse case scenario...I don't know...just conjecture...about it...but...guess what I'm saying is - don't think politically serves the establishment to go after her

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: or maybe it does...I don't know...maybe I'm guessing wrong - I don't know

CONSPIRACY

Hartwig: and with the group I was in - the telegram group with Garrett Zeiger...and everyone - like - after she...with the whole fake shredded ballots thing...and everyone turned on her...the people in my group were very negative towards her...and so...this is a funny thing just between you and I - Garrett Zeigler (inaudible) said she should start a company called Pussy Wire, LLC - cuz she records everything everyone says (laugh)

Rose: (thespian chuckle)

Hartwig: so ahh...so there was some like banter and negative attacks towards her - which of course influenced my feelings towards her...cuz up until the shredded ballots thing & (inaudible) I was like - yeah she's great...her case made it to the Supreme Court - but then she lost her ability to (inaudible) attacking Jovan Pulitzer's like method for the ballots and um...so anyways, um yeah, I think we're on the same page...um yeah...yeah talk to who you need to talk to...I think I've been forthright about my relationship with her...and um...she ahhh...yeah...so

Rose: I just didn't realize there was like that much animus between the two of you - ya know

Hartwig: (inaudible) back in like April - I think March or April I blocked her on my phone and my Signal...not that she was talking to me a whole lot she talked, she talked to (inaudible) a whole lot more than myself...um but no, I would say like the animus was just because there was some negative like...people in the Telegram Group  were - some were negative - including Garrett Zeigler towards her...but it was just locker room talk - just kinda like banter - um but um - - - no I think, I think  she a...I mean cuz - I don't know - she probably she (FRUSTRATED)

Rose: well thing is man...

Hartwig: (inaudible)

Rose: the ball's already on the field dude

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: like literally - quite literally - we're um - totally conflicted dude

Hartwig: yeah (blab, blah, blah)

Rose: we really are if you think about it

Hartwig: yeah it sucks because 

Rose: no - I know = it does suck cuz I like working with you (thespian chuckle) dude

Hartwig: yeah I need the money too (chuckle, chuckle)

Rose: no I understand, understand - dude like I said it's just one of those things - where it's like dang man - it's a - everything you and I profess to hold true - like this is a test from God - I know you're a Godly man 

Hartwig: yeah - I do believe in God

Rose: you know - and I am too - and uh 

Hartwig: yeah - see if (inaudible)

Rose: if there's a way to compartmentalize it - yeah that's one thing - but just if you really think about it - right? - is there a potentiality that that's news later? YEAH 

Hartwig: yeah, yeah

Rose: IT IS - IT IS - is there a potentiality that me working with her behind the scenes is news later? yup - absolutely - and why would it be relevant news? well...because - and then it's like - oh wait a second...Ryan was working with -

Hartwig: they were working together

Rose: he was your media guy the whole time - what?

Hartwig: yeahhh

Rose: I mean the fact that we had to conflict out might become an issue later - in and of itself 

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: but we have to sign non-disclosure - I guess all I'm trying to say is like...it is what it is...and you know...best thing to do is just ethically figure it out - but um - we should make a decision on it pretty quickly...probably something by Monday or something

Hartwig: yeah, yeah, yeah - if you can just talk to your people - and um...I'll send you spreadsheet of what I've done so far...I think National File was big - really put you on the...helped your credibility for some of these stories

Rose: oh no - for sure - that was very good - yeah

Hartwig: so if you want to go talk to your people pay me out (inaudible) we can always talk if there's a way around it - okay but...

Rose: yeah if there's a way around it - no, no - fair enough...yeah and then the other thing is - we would have to figure out the financial exit - right?

Hartwig: yeah

Rose: because you've got that override - but then it didn't get fully matured (Clip Artist Films v Milo Fund) but then you're entitled to something - so of course want to make sure that you're taken care of - and that you exit financially where it's ethical - and feel you've been treated fairly - and that I'm also being a good fiduciary to the monies...so we'll figure that piece out too - I'm very fair with that shit

Hartwig: okay

Rose: but anyways um - yeah dude - well I'm glad we talked through it anyhow - so

Hartwig: (nervous laugh) yeah...no - honestly this has been a really good business relationship - you're great at communicating and have done some good work so...I think we will continue to do work - this will be just a little blip - so ahhh

Rose: no, no - it's a temporary thing anyway - again handling it the correct way - so - alright dude - I'll circle back with you tomorrow on it and we'll figure it out and go from there 

Hartwig: okay - sounds good